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by: Les Carpenter
Rational Nation USA
Liberty -vs- Tyranny


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Patti Davis in 2004. 
She says her father would have supported same-sex marriage.

None of us know for certain whether President Ronald Wilson Reagan would have supported marriage equality. In the world of politics public opinion is often the prime mover of such things. It shouldn't be.

I would like to believe Patti Davis is right. If conservatives accept her belief that her father would have supported marriage equality perhaps it will be easier for them to accept that doing so is, in fact, the right thing to do.

For those who truly respect the rights of all to live their life in such a way as to secure their own happiness, which is to embrace individual liberty, the acceptance of marriage equality should be a no brainier.

Note: The preceding reference to individual liberty is not meant to imply anything goes without respect to civil society and the restraints required to maintain civil order.

Justice, to be realized means affording the same civil rights to all individuals across the board without regard to ones race, national heritage, gender, sexual preference, physical or mental disability, or anything else that righty falls under the umbrella of individual liberty and the proper exercise thereof.

The New York Times As Republican politicians wrestle with same-sex marriage, the daughter of a party icon — former President Ronald Reagan — said in an interview this week that she believes her father would have “been puzzled” by the political fuss and would have supported marriage for gay people.

Patti Davis, a Los Angeles writer and the onetime rebellious daughter of Reagan and his second wife, Nancy, said in a telephone interview that she never discussed same-sex marriage with the former president, who died in 2004 just as it was emerging as a political issue.

But Ms. Davis, now 60, offered several reasons her father, who would have been 102 this year, would have bucked his party on the issue: his distaste for government intrusion into private lives, his Hollywood acting career and close friendship with a lesbian couple who once cared for Ms. Davis and her younger brother Ron while their parents were on a Hawaiian vacation — and slept in the Reagans’ king-size bed.

“I grew up in this era where your parents’ friends were all called aunt and uncle,” Ms. Davis said. “And then I had an aunt and an aunt. We saw them on holidays and other times.” She added, “We never talked about it, but I just understood that they were a couple.”

Once when she and her father were watching a Rock Hudson movie, Ms. Davis said, she remarked that the actor “looked weird” kissing his female co-star. She said her father explained that Mr. Hudson “would rather be kissing a man,” and conveyed, without using the words homosexual or gay, the idea that “some men are born wanting to love another man.” Years later, in 1985, Mr. Hudson died of AIDS.

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Mr. Reagan had a mixed record on gay rights. As president, he infuriated many gay people with his slow response to the AIDS epidemic, but as governor of California he joined a number of Democrats, including President Jimmy Carter, in opposing a ballot measure that would have barred gays and lesbians from working in public schools.

Ms. Davis said her father “did not believe that gayness was a choice,” although “as a straight man and an old-fashioned man, it’s not like he understood it.”

Ms. Davis’s comments are certain to inflame conservative admirers of her father. {Read More}

Via: Memeorandum


A Plurality Now Supports Gay Marriage...

by: Les Carpenter
Rational Nation USA
Liberty
-vs- Tyranny



Treating all fellow human beings that mean you no harm, and do not threaten you or your families livelihood and well being are deserving of respect and full equal treatment under the laws of the United States of America. Including the full recognition of equal rights for gay couples to marry and enjoy the same secular rights that heterosexual couples enjoy.

America's belief in equality with respect to treatment of homosexuals, specifically their right to marry is, and has been changing. A plurality now support gay marriage.

POLITICO - A plurality of Americans supports gay marriage.

A new POLITICO/George Washington University Battleground Poll found 40 percent of those surveyed said that same-sex couples should be able to be legally married. Thirty percent thought same-sex couples should be able to enter into civil unions but not be allowed to get married. And 24 percent said they should not be allowed to have any type of legal union.

The poll of 1,000 likely voters was conducted Dec. 2-6, just before the U.S. Supreme Court’s Friday announcement that the justices will consider two same-sex marriage cases. The full poll results will be released Monday.

One in five surveyed admitted to changing their view on same-sex marriage in the last few years, as President Barack Obama said he did earlier this year.

Nearly half, 48 percent, approved of Obama’s handling of the gay marriage issue. Seventy-one percent of Democrats approve, and 65 percent of Republicans disapproved. Independents approved the president’s handling by a 16-percentage-point margin, 50 percent to 34 percent.

The generational gap on the gay marriage question persists. Younger people, who tend to view this as a civil rights issue, overwhelmingly supported gay marriage. A full 63 percent of 18-to-29-year-olds backed marriage, and only 14 percent wanted no legal unions for gay couples. It dropped off to 36 percent support among both 30-to-44-year-olds and 45-to-59-year-olds.

Only three in 10 seniors supported gay marriage. Another three in 10 supported civil unions. And 28 percent wanted no legal unions.

Predictably, the country divided along political party lines. Among Republicans, 40 supported percent civil unions and 37 percent didn’t support any legal unions. Just 17 percent of the GOP accepted legal marriage. Among Democrats, 60 percent supported legal marriage and 19 percent backed civil unions. This left 16 percent opposing legal recognition.

Self-identified independents tracked with the electorate overall: 42 percent supported legal marriage, 32 percent preferred civil unions and 18 percent wanted no unions.

Just over half of those who attend church infrequently supported gay marriage. Only 18 percent of those who attend services at least once a week did.

Roman Catholics are significantly more supportive of full marriage for gays, 42 percent, than Baptists and evangelicals, 18 percent. Among mainline Protestants, 35 percent supported gay marriage, 31 backed civil unions and 27 percent wanted no recognition. {Read More}

And so, once again we see the concept of individual rights and the application of equality under the secular laws of the United States of America being resisted by the Socon Evangelicals that would have all live by their interpretation of the scriptures. One can not help but wonder from where our greatest threat to liberty lies. Is there any difference between this and Muslim Theocracy? Just asking...

Via: Memeorandum